Iriver E10 - Not Good

When buying a non-Ipod device, there are certain things I look for in a portable music player:

  • Syncs with Windows Media Player
  • Plays Windows Media DRM encrypted files (yeah, I own a few)
  • Has a standard mini USB 2.0 socket for charging and transfer (hell, I’ll settle for 1.1)
  • Doesn’t require loads of custom software to work properly

That’s my list. So far, just about every device I’ve tried has been wanting in some key way.

My girlfriend doesn’t have such a list. She bought an E10 on the recommendation of a sales guy that said it was a “Flash player” - it’s not, it’s a microdrive player that has Macromedia Flash installed. Great.

My near-rabid frothing at the mouth convinced her to keep it, to prove that I was wrong and it wasn’t a horrible and random purchasing mistake on her part. Cow. But of course, when it breaks or screws up or is generally crappy and unusable, it’s not her that has to fix it. Ohhhh, no.

On its own, the Iriver E10 is probably a competent mass storage device that happens to be able to play media files, if you don’t mind a file browser interface.

But as a music player, and as part of the overall Iriver experience/package, it’s a piece of the warmest, steamiest, most unadulterated crap you’ll ever find anywhere. You just won’t find out until after you’ve bought it, so don’t.

Why does The Iriver Experience Suck So Much?

Syncs with Windows Media Player: No
First cab off the rank, and it’s already a killer. No Media Player integration. Crappy app required for song, playlist and artist management.

I decided I’d try to rectify this- and I’d try a web search to kick off with. Well, not much around the net on the E10, so let’s go to the manufacturer’s website.

In no small part, the Iriver website is so poor it’s practically unusable. First impressions are positive, with lots of animation and fly-out things, but you quickly realize that these are pretty much the only effort expended on the site, and they’re Flash-based, making tabbed browsing hard-to-impossible. And there seem to be generic tutorials for devices that probably aren’t sold any more linked right off the top page of the site. For God’s sake Iriver, please just implement the site in real HTML, and then try to make the smallest sections possible pretty with Flash.

Once you’ve got a couple of independently-navigated browsers open to the Iriver site, you try to search for something you’re interested in: say, E10 Windows Media Player.

Nothing. Sod all.

If you painstakingly work your way through the cumbersome search interface, you’re eventually left with a list of one thing - “product manual” available. Nothing about how you’re supposed to sync the device with Windows Media Player. No firmware options at all. Reading widely in the torturous forum, you get the impression you’re after something called MTP, for which firmware seems to exist for every other Iriver device but yours.

The forum requires registration, doesn’t offer RSS feeds, looks to have a near-zero useful response rate, and bluntly: fuck that.

So we’re going to have to install the Itunes-y Iriver Plus2, which is pointless because I’ve already got Media Player and Media Center and Itunes installed, and I don’t need another goddamn music management application for a specific device. I will be watching it like a hawk.

Plays Windows Media DRM Files: Who knows?

I would bet vast sums of money on “no”, because WMP doesn’t even consider it a real device.

Has a Standard Mini USB Connector: No

The little bastard has a proprietary flat-and-wide-something-to-USB cable. It comes with one cable. Lose the cable, you’re screwed. Just hanging around at a friend’s house and need a charge? Can’t do it without the cable.

Why anyone would put a non-standard USB socket in a device this size is just beyond me. It boggles the mind. You have a universal standard that can be used with anything, and instead you slap a proprietary interface on it that makes it no good to anyone. Come ON!

Doesn’t Require Loads Of Custom Software To Work Properly: No

Perhaps not quite the vehement “no” of the others, but the fact is that it doesn’t work properly (eg, you can’t sort by artist or album or playlist) unless you install The Crappy Software.

Conclusion

I really hope that it fails within the week and we can take it back. In my humble opinion, it’s a lemon.

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  1. Ed
    Comment by Ed | 07/03/06 at 4:15 pm

    Hey, the iriver e10 is an excellent mp3 player.

    Having a proprietary cable for the e10 is not a very good thing, but the speed at which you can transfer files through it is compensation. Plus, there are “travel adapters” for the e10 which allow you to charge the e10 without a computer. I would assume that the people who use mp3s use computers to get them into the e10? The recommended 2.5 hours of charge time is about my average computer use per session - so i can can plug, read my mail, do some work and hey! It’s all charged up.

    The interface is very easy to use and if you know your flash, the e10 having flash lite 2 themes, you can customize it even more to suit yourself.

    The ipod? The ipod is just a trend everyone wants to follow. Good advertising and design are the keys.
    I would think that an average person would have one mp3 player. An average person wouldn’t have all three programs (WMP, itunes and plus 2) on the same computer! Besides, if you can withstand having itunes with WMP, you definitely will survive having a WMP + plus 2 combo of programs.

    Yes, you need the iriver plus 2 software to make the music appear on the playlists - that’s one problem i have with it, but you don’t need ‘plus 2′ for videos, flash, text and theme files.

    Maybe rethink the way you see your mp3 players.

  2. Comment by SpongBo | 07/04/06 at 12:04 am

    Hey Ed,

    Interesting arguments, but for me, the bottom line is that I want an MP3 player that Just Works Everywhere, and the Iriver just isn’t it. I think I’ve clearly spelt out my requirements, and why should I change my requirements just because a device doesn’t meet them? (apart from sheer bloody-minded pragmatism!)

    I want it to use common plugs (so that I’m *never* forced to buy a specific cable to use it if I lose the included one), be directly usable from Windows Media Player, and have good sound quality and usability.

    I don’t like the IPod - talking about the nano here - because it too uses a proprietary cable (though the excellent ITrip has a regular mini USB socket to Nano interface that alleviates this somewhat), and I have to use Itunes to get stuff onto it. At least with Plus2 it’s not stored again on the hard drive.

    The iriver has good sound quality and can be used as a plain old USB-connected drive, but I use three computers and I’ve only got one charge cable. So it’s a pain in the arse!

    But I’m also pissed off that I carry a phone that doesn’t do any of this stuff either - I think the best solution is probably to abandon the standalone MP3 player entirely, and just go with a phone that can do the lot!

  3. Ed
    Comment by Ed | 07/04/06 at 4:27 pm

    Haha, yeah - agreeed : )

  4. Comment by Demi | 07/11/06 at 5:31 pm

    ah hey guys!

    well you both seem to be pretty clued up on these iriver e10’s so im gonna drop a line with you both if you could help me out PLEASE! im soooooo desperate!

    Here’s the thing, i brought one the other day, from australia and i live in New Zealand. So i get home and chuck in the software it came with and i was so excited BUT i have no idea how to get the music on? im so confused! I tried dragging it in, and it dosen’t appear there, then I tried right clicking and adding a file or folde and it still didn’t work. So i tried adding music to the device through windows media player but after reading your comments i see it probably wont work, even though when i open up this device through My Computer, E10, the files and playlists are all there, yet not on the iriver or through the programme!?

    If any of you could help me i would muchly appreciate that, thanks.

  5. Comment by SpongBo | 07/12/06 at 1:40 am

    Hello!

    I think when you drag stuff on, you can get to it through the Iriver Extras menu, then something like Folders or Browser (you get the idea… something that lets you explore the little drive). Then you can play songs by folder.

    To get the playlist/artist/whatever else thing in there, you need to use Plus2 - I never did it myself, but the evil girlfriend managed to work it out after a half hour of playing (I think she ‘added a folder’ or something, but have no idea - it didn’t end up duplicating, unlike Itunes).

  6. Comment by Mattytheman | 07/14/06 at 2:05 pm

    Hey guys,

    i bought the e10 the other day after a long hard look at all the mp3 players on the market. It took me about an hour to figure out how to get the music on there. The only real problem i had was i used itunes before plus 2 and so all my music was saved as mp4’s ( real pain ) so i got a file converter “switch” and converted all the files into “mp3’s” and then used the add file or folder button on plus 2 to add the songs. I then dragged the playlist i had made with my fav songs into the tab called music under e10.

    It was quite complecated at first, but if you can get your head around it :-) your fine.

    But now i need your help.

    1. Where can you download Themes for the e10. I’ve tried searching everwhere.

    2. How are videos put onto the e10. Do you use windows explorer and just place them in. Or would you need a video file converter for that???

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  7. Comment by SpongBo | 07/15/06 at 3:12 pm

    WTF!? Are you fecking kidding me!? :)

    I hate the PoS! Many others have come here looking to justify their purchase. I’ll be having none of that.

    If what’s important to you is important to me, you’ll absolutely abhor the device.

    Plus - I don’t know what music stores it’s rumoured to work with.

    If you don’t care about any of the things above, go right ahead, buy it, then come back here to whine about it!

  8. Comment by SpongBo | 07/16/06 at 1:25 am

    You’re not big on actually reading the post as such, are you?

    The title suggests that I find the device: Not good.

    My requirements (which I’ve called out above): Not met.

    The Iriver website: Is there such a thing as an Anti-User Interface Specialist? I think they found one somewhere, or grew them from turd crystals.

  9. Comment by SpongBo | 07/16/06 at 12:17 pm

    Haven’t found one yet, but the E10 is pretty far from perfect.

    The Creative Zen Micro was pretty good, barring a couple of firmware issues. Hell, the Muvo2 1.5 got that much right, and could play music bought from ninemsn’s store or bigpondmusic.com.

    A mate has the Neeon, which Just Works, he tells me.

    The Clix looks pretty good (if you wait until September), but still has a bastardized USB cable.

    The GF has a Samsung necklace that was also pretty good, but it uses a custom USB->Headphone jack that you can’t seem to find without an MP3 player attached to it.

  10. Comment by - anon - | 07/17/06 at 12:44 pm

    u guyz all suk… i got the iriver e10 n its perfect…no complaints and easy to deal with…better than my stupid ipod which i got 4 practically double the price…almost…nyways yess… Creative Zen is just as worse as the ipod…putting the songs on the iriver isnt even hard…geez…just download the iriver program off the site…you can put videos and songs and everything onto it that way…Sponbo or whteva has nothing to do…geez…except complain about a really cool mp3 player which he/she hasnt even bought and only read the info off the website :P

  11. Comment by Mattytheman | 07/18/06 at 6:05 pm

    Finally someone else who likes the e10. “high fives”

    btw IPOD NANO”S SUCK. That is why i got the e10.

    Now 4 things that i need to ask.

    2. How can you transfer video clips onto it…………..you cant use iriver plus program…….
    3. How do you use the universal remote. I have chosen the right brand for my tv. But i dont get the screen after it asking what number you want?????
    4. And is this a forum or what? cmon. wheres the debates farout.

  12. Comment by Mattytheman | 07/18/06 at 6:21 pm

    ahh thnx spongebo for the link on transferring videos. i didnt see it…….:-S but any suggestions on the remote and themes would be cool. btw i have read ll the past entries.

  13. Comment by SpongBo | 07/18/06 at 10:24 pm

    Bloody hell, you’re all *bastards*. I set up a nice lil rant on exactly why *everyone* should hate it, and people are coming here to talk about how much they adore the bloody thing!? Cretins! Monsters!

    My GF took hers away with her, so I can’t poke or prod at it at the moment. I caught mention that “Flash Lite 2″ or something (misremembered?) might be used to produce themes for it, but a web search came up blank enough that we’re probably top-ranked for just mentioning it here once. Ah - here.

    I wouldn’t normally recommend this - in the same vein as I wouldn’t normally recommend people go and get root canal dentistry at random - but you could try posting to the Iriver forum on their site. Good luck with that. :)

    Indications are that the CDK - content? development kit - for u10 (and presumably e10, clix etc) is delayed - that’s what Adobe’s site seems to suggest, anyway.

    Personally, I thought I saw a Clix in JB yesterday, so I’m going back to check it out tomorrow. At least it’s probably usable with Media Player…

  14. Comment by TarenCapel | 07/20/06 at 11:21 pm

    SpongBo said “Bloody hell, you’re all *bastards*.”…….Hahaha.I love it

  15. Comment by Shirmp | 07/21/06 at 2:27 pm

    hey could u happen to tell me how to transfer videos on the e10?? :)

  16. Comment by SpongBo | 07/21/06 at 2:51 pm

    Damn you Shirmp, Daaaamn youooooo!

    Note: To decode my super-secret reply, try replacing all the capitalized words with their opposites.

    Yes, I’m watching video all the time on my BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL, AMAZING E10. I am NOT ENVIOUS of my friend that just bought a Clix. He is VERY UNHAPPY with his purchase. He goes on and on about how SUICIDAL he is with it*

    (OK, so I’m not sure what the opposite of suicidal is (life-affirming? Born-again? Well-bandaged?) but that’s how happy he is)

  17. Comment by Shirmp | 07/23/06 at 12:22 pm

    …….. thats all i gotta say……..

  18. Comment by Mattytheman | 07/23/06 at 2:45 pm

    Well , HI

    Hey shrimp, to transfer videos first you need a conversion program called “badak” there is a link on this silly forum for it somewhere. Once you hhave converted the file, all you need to do is drag and drop the file through “window’s explorer” into the video folder under e10. Good luck with it, personally i dont believe the video quality is very high but it works all the same.

    And THE E10 RULES!!!!!

    hehehe, spongbo will be angry with me now………… :-P

  19. Comment by E10 Supporter | 07/28/06 at 4:24 pm

    I am another E10 lover!! But I am just a simple girl who is happy with the fact it has an FM radio, can easily download all my music through river2 and is a great little size for 6GB! My old Ipod took me 8 hours to first start it up!! obviously a sign of my intelligence!

    Only question I have is where are the accessories???? I would love an arm band for while I am jogging or a clip.does anyone have any info on the accessories?

  20. Comment by jane | 08/02/06 at 8:54 pm

    hi, im sorry if you get annoyed from people asking, but i still cant get videos to actually get onto my E10.
    i have done all the steps you have said and it diesnt work?
    HELP PLEASE

  21. o-
    Comment by o- | 08/11/06 at 11:23 pm

    Hi. Seems that iRiver E10 syncs with Windows Media Player nowadays. It also supports DRM but I don’t know how long it has done that. So that clears away many of your problem. Only the non-standard cable remains. So has it failed yet? I’m asking because your the only one I know that has used this player and I’m thinking of buying one.

    It has nice features, OGG support is really important for me. Samsung YP-Z5 also seems nice, but it doesn’t have video and it has smaller capacity and higher price as it’s a flash-based player. Low battery life rules Mpio Solid HD 400 out.

  22. Comment by Gurras | 08/14/06 at 8:55 am

    haha, what a shitty review, You must be most stupid jerk i ever read about … loooser. Hope your gf finds a more clever guy

  23. Comment by SpongBo | 08/15/06 at 12:43 am

    Wow, someone’s taken their nasty suppository today haven’t they?

    I might write shitty reviews, and I might be the most stupid jerk you ever read about, but at least I didn’t buy one. (beam)

  24. Comment by SUBX | 08/20/06 at 1:42 am

    iRiver eats Apple for dead. E10 is one of the easiest players i have ever used.
    Its very easy to transfer music from your pc to the E10 using Plus2. Such a simple drag and drop interface. Yeah ya can do that on an IPOD nor can you browse it using explorer unless you use software like Anapod.
    Nor can you transfer back FROM your IPOD unless you use Anapod.
    Also look at the features of the E10 compared to any IPOD model. Ipod just sux!

    IPOD suck! Fassion accessory! Oh and not to forget to mention sound quality.. Besides iAudio, iRiver has the BEST sound quality on ANY MP3 player on the market and before you go and jump back at me on that one, 1st get your self some good earphones like Sennheiser or Shure and listen to Ipod and E10, youll soon be shocked to find iRiver wins hands down.

    And for Windows Media Player integration.. who the hell uses that piece of shit software anyway?.. WMP..can go suck a phat dick.
    Sure not using a standard USB cable is a bit shitty, but at 32 hours playback you shouldnt need to charge it that often.

    And for those who cant figure out how to use the Pluse 2 software or transfer vodes over to it, then you shouldnt have one..It ohh so easy,,, even a child could figure it out.

  25. Bec
    Comment by Bec | 08/20/06 at 11:15 am

    Ok fine, so im a stupid moron, i love my e 10 but i still can’t get videos onto it. I found some website and downloaded this shit to convert my video files but it didn’t work. i’ve seen it asked several times on this site how to do this and noone has given a straight answer. All i can see is that its “soo easy” well can someone please just tell me how?

  26. Comment by SpongBo | 08/20/06 at 11:49 am

    I had a shot at collating what I could find out about video on the e10 here:

    http://www.pinkjoint.com/index.php/archives/gadgets/video-on-da-e10/

    Plus3 can be found from this Misticriver thread: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=43538

    Sorry Bec, despite what Subx the Slightly Aggressive Ipod Hater (I’m with ya, honey, I hate ‘em too - I just don’t think the E10 is All That, Girlfriend (you’re a chick, right?)) says, it seems a bunch of people have issues working out how to get video onto it. I don’t actually use the E10, my GF does, and she’s not into video (luckily).

    Without knowing anything about the file, the problem or the circumstances, I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it’s probably a codec related issue if the tools like BADAK or Plus3 don’t work for you. Guess: try a regular garden-variety WMV file rather than an AVI or ASF, or find something to convert to WMV first. I don’t know if the little thing has a Divx codec built in. Good luck!

  27. Comment by kelly&eliza | 08/28/06 at 2:35 pm

    hey!
    we both have a i river e 10 and we think they are great!!
    they have everything on it…. pictures, games, movies, fm radio, voice recorder, alarm clock, text viewer, clour screen, 6 gb and stores 1500 songs!
    we really recomend it to everyone it is the best qualtiy and had the features of a i pod and phone put together.
    and comes with everything you need for it!
    ***** five stars

  28. Comment by Badger | 08/28/06 at 3:22 pm

    Here’s a somewhat positive review for the E10. I personally won’t be getting this since I’m waiting for the 60GB version of Zen Vision M.

    “Overall the E10 is an excellent choice for an MP3 player. It’s easy to grip and navigate, has an impressive battery life, sounds amazing, and the FM/recorder/video/photo/text/game/USB Mass Storage Device support allows it to be used in so many ways throughout everyday life. The built-in remote control is rather handy for those stuck in waiting rooms, although users with cable boxes won’t be able to change channels and those using unsupported televisions may be left in the dark indefinitely. The only major downsides are the small screen for viewing video, restriction of using iriver plus 2 to synchronize music, and lack of documentation on a few of the more advanced features. Regardless, the iriver E10 is highly recommended to those looking for a slim and capable player.”

    http://www.everythingusb.com/iriver_e10_6gb.html

  29. Comment by SpongBo | 08/28/06 at 8:59 pm

    Greeeat, now I’m being MisticRiverDotted. It’s like a Slashdotting, only full of positive product reviews. :)

  30. Comment by evil_m3nace | 09/06/06 at 1:48 am

    I don’t know which version of windows media player your using but as soon as i plugged it into my computer
    windows media player started downloading 2000 songs onto it.

  31. Comment by boof666 | 09/07/06 at 3:53 pm

    i have been wondering what program evil_m3nace (wich media player he used to transfer files on to the e10)

  32. Comment by Chris | 09/20/06 at 9:12 pm

    Spong (I know who you are!),

    You are wise indeed. I have always said so. My iRiver experience sucked too. I got it for free (a prize). The software presented so many hurdles to actually downloading some songs that if I had paid for an Ipod, I would have been better off in terms of lost earning capacity. The program that is supposed to look up the names of songs would not work.

    It also crashes when I use a 1.1 USB port. Here is the full complaint I send to iRiver central:

    “There is nothing wrong with the connection or the USB cable or the computer’s ability to read the removable drive (iRiver) because I can record voice files and upload them to the computer without incident.

    However, I cannot get any song file onto the iRiver. I can download other files, like text and word files by dragging and dropping the files onto the drive. Hoewever, this doesn’t work with Mp3s - I try to manually transfer them and after a long pause, I get a Windows-generated error message in the bottom right corner “Delayed Write failed”. I also get a message headed “Error copying file or folder” which reads “Cannot copy [file name]: cannot find the specified file. Make sure you specify the correct path and file name”.

    Then, the iRiver remains saying “Transfering Data” and I cannot change it. The only way to make the iRiver funciton again is to take the battery out and put it back in. It makes no difference whather I close the program first, or use the windows “remove hardware” function.

    I have no more luck using the program iRiver Plus 2.

    I have looked at the instruction book and tried initialising the iRiver. After a delay it brings up a “transfer status” window, then gives me an error in the bottom right corner:
    “Windows - Delayed Write Failed.
    Windows was unable to save all the data for the file F:. The data has been lost. This may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.”

    I then have the problem that the iRiver freezes as described above. Generally, the iRiver records the name of the file, but with zero bites.

    THere seems to be something called “Generic Volume” as part of my F:. Might that be causing a clash? I have tried 3 different USB ports. Please let me know if the iRiver should be replaced. ”

    Keep trek’n

    Chris

  33. Comment by Ming | 09/22/06 at 12:51 pm

    Thanks for you girls’ bickering.
    It is a lot of informative information

  34. Comment by Jesse | 09/22/06 at 2:46 pm

    Hey in answer to your question about transferring videos:

    It wont play any video unless it is in 128X128 format.

    download a program called “IRIVERTER”. you then need to amend the U10 profile in notepad so it converts video to 128X128 - currently there isnt an iriverter version with e10 in it so you need to modify the u10 profile. it’s dead easy though.

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/564861.html

    follow this link. Yes its a little fiddly at first but once you get the hang of it its a piece of cake, and you’ll be converting all vids you have to fit on it.

    once converted, you just drag and drop the files into the video folder using explorer.

    any problems, email me and I’ll email you the profile. Jessetill2000@yahoo.co.uk

    I couldnt understand at first why they would make an MP4 player that you couldnt just drag and drop vids into, until i realised that the converter turns a 700mb video into like 40mb.

    Dont listen to anyone that complains about the E10. Its awesome. who gives a crap about playlists etc.
    just go in to Browse and pick it all from there. So glad I didnt opt for an ipod!

    Also there is a playlist editor out there called MediaMonkey. http://www.mediamonkey.com/ apparently it is simpler to use than plus2, not that I would know as I dont give a stuff about playlists.

    cheers

    jesse

  35. Comment by Jono | 10/30/06 at 12:27 pm

    i like the e10, BUT HOW do you get movies on it. and also the other thing that i am unpleased with is how it freezes so regularly.

  36. Comment by sherman | 11/09/06 at 9:07 pm

    Actually, the e10 seems to be a pretty good device.

    1. UMS. Check it. Universal Mass Storage. That means drag and drop kids. No fucking WinXP WMP dedication. It just acts like a thumb drive and you drag and drop songs to it. By far the most easiest, and most platform independant way to use a mp3 player. I do not like the MTP quite simply because Microsoft now no longer runs the MSN music store… and even if they did, theres no chance that it would work with the Zune they are creating. That means that your stupid love of MTP devices is a crappy move my friend.
    2. It plays MP3, OGG, WMA and ASF music files… OGG vorbis people! God damn DRM…
    3. So simple to use, an ape could use it. Oh noes! it looks like a file manager! RUN!
    4. Did I mention that it uses UMS!?

    Standards. FTW.

  37. Comment by SpongBo | 11/10/06 at 2:55 pm

    Sherman:

    Drawbacks of UMS are that you have to use a goddamn folder browser with it. Yeah, that’s a problem. I want to play everything by one artist without thinking about it again - without album artist (or whatever) grouping, I can’t do that.

    But yeah, it looks like Zune spells the beginning of the end of the more democratic WMP platform. Wonder what happened to “embrace and extend” this time? Seemed like a good strategy before.

  38. Comment by $$$BENOZ$$$ | 11/15/06 at 1:23 pm

    omfg!!! I cant get the music on the plus 2 becaus every time i drag it over the barstards just dissapear can some 1 plzzz help me!!!

  39. Comment by mr.cool | 11/17/06 at 7:01 am

    buddy its so easy to put music in the e10… that its not even funny… i dont even need to use iriver plus2…

  40. Comment by mr.cool | 11/17/06 at 7:02 am

    hmmm to get to put videos easily into ur e10 just get iriver plus3…

  41. Comment by $$$BENOZ$$$ | 11/19/06 at 11:22 am

    yeh mr cool i figured out how 2 do it last night its easy as the plus 2 program is all bullshit and its complicated but thanx anyways

  42. Comment by Brad | 12/05/06 at 4:35 pm

    Hey, I saw the iriver E10 today while looking for a mp4 player, and it seemed quite interesting.

    What i’m really looking for is a mp4 player to play tv shows on just as much as music. I heard the 30g/80g Ipods only have a small battery life while playing movies, and really 30g/80g is a bitof a over kill for memory. The Clix only has 2g of memory which wont hold to much.

    And what is a proprietary cable? Sorry, I really don’t know to much about Ipods and mp4 players yet..

    And SpongBo, if it is pretty crap, do you know of any other mp4 players that are better?
    Thanks for any help.

  43. Comment by PeaBee | 12/18/06 at 5:27 pm

    Hey I have recently been given an E10 as a present and…sorry if this is a stupid question…but does anyone know how to get songs off it once they’re on? I can delete them from the library of the iriver plus 2 but not from the actual player. it’s making me crazy!!!!
    Help?

  44. Comment by SpongBo | 12/18/06 at 9:47 pm

    PB - can you see it through Explorer as a drive? If so, try just dragging the stuff out of it.

    Brad - a proprietary cable is one that won’t work with any other devices, so you’d damn well better not lose it. Instead of using regular mini USB cables, many MP3 players like using USB at one end, and random-collection-of-stuff-with-random-layout at the other.

    With my phone at the moment, I can use a regular USB -> mini USB cable, and the same cable works for my phone, my camera, my girlfriend’s PDA, and so on.

    And I don’t have a good answer on what MP3 player to get at the moment. Might do some poking around, see what’s out there.

  45. Comment by Beavis | 12/19/06 at 7:00 pm

    can i just point out that it syncs fine with my windows media player…

  46. Comment by ollie | 12/25/06 at 10:02 pm

    hey pb all i had to do and hopefully u hae to do too is go to [options], [sync options] do thats shit that it says in the booklets (hopefully u got em lol) then when u done that go to [file], ([sync now] or click the little arrow pointing right down the bottom right and it should change hopedfully good luck :P lol
    and by the way all i fucking love the e10 got it 4 chrissy today lol had to get my bro to help me get the song s and shit on mind u it was easier than my old t30 (which ended up breaking the screen) thats 1 took me like 5 FUCKEN HOURS to get working but yues the only problem is that thy really should have put the irivier plus 3 in the package instead of the no.2 well soz for the long comment hope u got it i dunno im always a bit late at writing comments lol cyaz

  47. Comment by BeNoZ | 12/31/06 at 7:20 pm

    yo hows it going ppl just a quick question is there any way of acctualy getting a video on the e10 with out the stupid program because when i did it it was only in browse file and it wouldent play can some one plz tell me y????

  48. Comment by Bren | 02/19/07 at 12:52 pm

    yeah sorry mate but I have to disagree , I think the Irivver E10 is awesome. A hell of allot cheaper the Ipods with heaps more features out of the box. I respect your decision but feel my list of what makes a good MP3 player is different and I would also say for a good many people being able to play DRM files is a big factor

  49. Comment by SpongBo | 02/19/07 at 8:17 pm

    I guess you meant to say “being able to play DRM files is NOT a big factor”, but either way, I don’t dig ipods.

    I was flying to the US on United recently, and because their in-flight entertainment systems are still from the 1980s, I picked up a new iRiver device recently.

    It wasn’t an E10… it was a Clix. And it’s fantastic!

  50. Comment by josh | 02/27/07 at 4:25 pm

    iRiver E10, Owns you all, GG

  51. Comment by darcy | 02/28/07 at 3:52 pm

    i’d just like to say to the fucking wanker who wrote the review, DO SOME STUDY BEFORE YOU RIGHT A REVIEW, to all you people who are warried about the e10 not being able to sync with wmp (windows media player) it does and you dont need some crappy app (which is soooo easy to use) to make it work and this media player is the fuckin bomb digity

    THANX FOR LISTNIN

  52. Comment by SpongBo | 03/01/07 at 12:40 am

    YEAH DARCY I WILL STUDY BEFORE I RIGHT A REVIEW YOUR SO WRITE.

    Welcome to the top of the pillock pile for this month, you idiot.

  53. Comment by Wegone | 03/15/07 at 9:46 pm

    Howdy all, (e10 owner but i’ll try to be unbiased unlike someone else…)

    First of all, yay… so it doesn’t work with Media Player… I mean, it’s not rocket science to use the iRiver program, it’s just click and drag. Personally, i’m not all that fussed (actually, i don’t even like Media Player… i play CDs on my hifi when i’m at home… yeah, that’s right, buying stuff). I use my MP3 player for MUSIC, not sit around on a pc playing with files on a program. Anyway, I’d say i spend less than 1% of the time i use the thing putting songs on it. The other 99% involves me listening to my songs with great sound quality (which you neglected to mention).

    As for the “review”, nice try but poorly executed. Most of it is one sided, whereas good reviews usually try to remain passive until the time comes for the writer to give his/her opinion. Although you do highlight some of the negative aspects of the e10, you fail to mention their significance when compared to what it’s been designed to do. For example, so what if it doesn’t play certain formats? Use a different one - there are many to choose from. It plays MP3s, i mean, it IS an MP3 player, why not use that format? Geez…

    Yes, i am an e10 owner, but i didn’t do it on a whim. I did my research, i suggest you do the same before you write another useless review.

    And all i have to say about your girlfriend is that she’s pretty lucky to have stumbled onto something that was actually pretty good, considering the amount of crap MP3 players that the salesman could have flogged to her instead. Good for her i’d say.

    P.S. Calling your girlfriend “retarded” anonymously on the internet? Lack of respect dude… lack of respect.

  54. Comment by SpongBo | 03/15/07 at 11:27 pm

    Wow! Unbiased!? “Good reviews”!? Not calling my (anonymous) girlfriend thick!?

    Where the hell do you think you are, CNet?

    You’re at a site called Pinkjoint. Surely the name screams “lack of credibility” on its own? I’m very comfortable with my ridiculously poorly considered position. And abuse of commenters.

    This is, after all, a blog. An opinion site. No warranty offered, no offense spared.

    This isn’t a review, it’s a rant! Do you understand the difference? I don’t *have* to consider the positive points about the device, all I am interested in doing is telling Iriver (and to a lesser extent the viewing public) why it’s a piece of crap in my opinion: Fuck sound quality - it might let you communicate with God for all I care; the stuff I listed was a deal-breaker for me at the time. You seem to be interested in retroactive purchase justification, which suggests a weak consitution and great personal angst over what others think of your toys.

    What you’ve done here is to try to poo-poo my opinions on why I hate it, then comment on what you wanted to see - which if I cared would be useful feedback - only I don’t care. I think it’s shitty. I will never buy one.

    You, for some reason do care, even though you’ve already bought one, and you want others to share your opinion. Otherwise, you wouldn’t bother commenting that I didn’t talk about the bits you wanted to talk about. The positive, perhaps even slightly redeeming characteristics. I don’t care!

    So Wegone, you want to come into my house and then bitch about my furniture? Bring it!

  55. Comment by Shifty | 03/15/07 at 11:32 pm

    I am SpongBo’s girlfriend and I don’t mind that he called me retarded in his story. With a cock that massive, he can say whatever he wants.

  56. Comment by SpongBo | 03/15/07 at 11:33 pm

    Come back salmon!

  57. mk
    Comment by mk | 03/27/07 at 11:05 pm

    Does any one have a LG phone? Cos I have found that plug for the e10 fits my LG phone and vice-versa… anyway I just wanted to check…. I think my phone is a LG u880.

    p.s. e10 rox

  58. Comment by andrew | 03/28/07 at 9:10 pm

    Spongey guy i agree with you i throught my iriver was the best thing ever but guess what its shit its self first it started doin its freezing thingy so it went flat after about an hour of freezing so i put it on charge cause it was flat and when i tool it off all that comes up is a grey screen now so what the fuck has happened how do i fix it please help peoples.

    Thnx much appreciated.

  59. Comment by erica | 03/29/07 at 2:32 pm

    i’ve found this site very helpful, and mildly entertaining. i’ve had my complaints about the e10, of course. but i just want to be able to use what i paid for. so if someone could please help me.

    i want to delete music listed on my E10. I’ve already deleted the file from my computer and even from the Iriver Plus 3 program. but it remains listed on my device. i know the file isn’t actually there because i can’t play it if i try. its not a big deal but i’m a little OCD and i hate to see something listed on my player that i don’t use or that isn’t even there!

    thanks again for the help you’ve already given me, like how to put videos on and stuff. i hope someone can help!

  60. Comment by SpongBo | 03/30/07 at 2:47 am

    Pity there’s no “mildly approve” comment button. So I’ll just approve it anyway, and let the angry defensive mob sort you out.

  61. CAS
    Comment by CAS | 04/06/07 at 11:31 pm

    AHH HOW DO U PUT VIDEOS ON IT THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS VIDEOS ANYWHERE FUCKIN

  62. Comment by andy gee | 04/15/07 at 9:42 pm

    I love the iriver E10! I run Linux (Ubuntu), and the E10 has awesomely fast drag’n'drop (although it is using a proprietary cable), easy to navigate, great battery life (around 25 hours - less than the 30 claimed by the manufacturer, but still good), has a hard drive so if you listen to a lot of podcasts you don’t have to worry about wearing out flash memory,and most importantly - it works with Linux. Can’t say that about many mp3 players. And with Easypmp, you can update and change the onboard database, so you don’t have to run the crappy software that comes with it.

    So if you think that itunes and windows media player both suck this is for you.

    As far as freezing goes, just hit the reset button on the side. It’s what its there for. RTFM?

  63. Comment by bobsyouruncle | 04/20/07 at 8:45 am

    haha you people arent very nice to your girlfriends are you. anyway this comment should kind of fit… things i hate about my e10: 1: wht ever happened to good old drag and drop, its not like these files need to be converted or anything! 2: why even have movies on here when you have to go through all fo this crap to get them on, shame on you iriver. and finally 3: the universal remote… i dont know if its just my e10 but whenever i change channels to 2 or 4 it dosent change chanels, it just turns onand off the tv! funny never the less, there was a guy playing the demo playstation 3 and i turned it on and off etc. haha he ran like a litle coward when the thought he just ruined the stores $1000 console hahaha good times. but it still mutes, and you can turn up and down the volume and turn it on/off with the power button. my final statement is, if you have ever owned a crappy, bullcrap asian wholesale 256mb mp3 player, like me, you will be highly impressed with this!

  64. Comment by jackson. | 05/10/07 at 9:46 pm

    yer ive had the E10 for a couple of weeks, fairly dissapointed with it all but for the price it was a steal.

    My belief is they should bring out the old ipod minis but in colour and they do videos as well, kinda like the e10, but with the best parts from both the old mini and the e10, i would still b using my old mini cept i fkd it putting a new battery in, damn those thngs were nice and invincable.

  65. Yin
    Comment by Yin | 07/05/07 at 12:09 pm

    Has anyone come across the problem of songs not playing in the order they’re in on the album?! Or am I just really dumb?!?! It really defeats the point of albums like Dark Side of the Moon!! Does anyone know what I’m doing wrong? i’ve tried changing the ‘order’ in the advanced settings to ascending/descending but still all my tunes play all jumbled up!

  66. Comment by Vandana | 07/24/07 at 3:01 pm

    Please help me out guys.
    I want to download iriver plus 3 software from the official site. I have an iriver U10 with me. Where do i find the serial number? as it is needed to download
    1. How many characters make up the u10 serial number?
    2. are they all digits? if so how many?
    3. Is the serial number alpha numerical?
    4. Is the serial number located on the back of the product?
    Kindly answer these questions as that i can identify the serial number.

    I have a 15 digit number at the back of my U10. I enter that with the email address, the download box appears and says 1% downloading, and then an error message, “your connection was reset”. I want to download plus 3 software. Please help

  67. Comment by Hamish | 07/26/07 at 4:08 pm

    Spongbo,

    R u sure you your Girl friend bought this or your boyfriend. You Wankstick homo

  68. Comment by SpongBo | 07/31/07 at 9:29 pm

    Do the security team at defence.gov.au know you’re using their computers to post hate speech? Just wondering…

  69. Comment by liverpool | 10/22/07 at 11:38 pm

    iriver e10 has some qualities, but has some bad things

    i had brought mine for two months and i found out that i had a connection prob
    it says on my e10 is connected but i can’t access it from my comp
    Anyone who noe help me pls!!!!!

  70. Comment by Raven | 11/16/07 at 5:43 pm

    the e10 does work with windows media music file types
    themes can be found in mysticriver and such sites, also ready formatted mp4 clips as well (anyone herd of google?)
    one point i do agree on is that the official iriver site is no help at all, better off checking out the forums
    i strongly disagree with the point to sync with windows media, windows media is just crap (honestly i dont find the need all that strong in using windows media player, its normally my last resort)
    i dont think there is any major fault with the e10
    windows media player has always pissed me off, i use it now and then but its not as good, its b-grade
    i suppose the iriver plus software is a bit daft, confusing at first, but a challenge only to the beginners (not to mention idiots who cannot operate a computer to a certain extent)
    i wouldnt really say e10 is bad or extremely good

    but the remote control fucking rocks ass as a prank

    i’ve had it for a while and am quite satisfied, i rate it 75% to 85%

    trying to be unbiased but i think i basically failed

    but i do agree strongly this is not a review but more of a rant

  71. Bob
    Comment by Bob | 12/06/07 at 4:45 pm

    Hi,

    Spongbo, I agree with your criteria for a good player, and that the E10 is severely lacking in some ways. However, once you’ve dealt with the proprietary cable and software, it is actually an OK player. It has excellent sound quality, a not-too-bad menu interface, and can play videos, Flash content, Flash games etc.

    It is because of these features that I persevered with it, and I want to share my tips for getting around the software issues:

    1. DON’T bother with the bundled software, iRiver Plus, it is a piece of crap. Also, DON’T expect any help or support from the iRiver website (unless you can read Korean, and I’m still doubtful you will find any help). Instead, be thankful for the open-source community, who have created software to do everything you need.

    2. Video – IRIVERTER. This great, free piece of software is simple to use, small and works perfectly – everything iRiver’s software isn’t. It will convert almost any video file to the format that most iRiver players need. It will even extract a full DVD movie, from a disc and reduce the filesize to 100mb or so. All you have to do then is copy the result .avi file into the E10’s Video folder, and it shows up in the “Video” menu on the device. See Jesse’s post above for how to set it up, because it doesn’t come with E10 support, however it is very easy. Also see http://iriverter.thestaticvoid.org/.

    3. Music Transfer – EasyPMP (also free, open source). This software rebuilds the library on the device, so that you can access your music with the Artist/Album/Genre menus instead of having to go to Browse Device. The beauty of this software is that you can copy your music files to the device whichever way you want. You can use Explorer and just drag and drop, or if you actually like a “Media Center”-type interface you can try Microsoft’s free SyncToy. The point is, you can do away with iRiver Plus completely, just copy your music the old-fashioned way, and then run this program. Download it at http://pmplib.sourceforge.net/. There is a good tutorial on this site which shows you how to use it, but it is fairly easy.

    4. Every thing else – for flash games, themes, pictures etc. just drag and drop in explorer.

    I don’t know about DRM files because I don’t have any, and as far as I know you still can’t use it with Windows Media Player (although some commenters have said that it does). However, DRM and MTP etc. are proprietary and also a load of crap in my opinion. The way I have said does require you to install some custom software, but both pieces are small and fast, (together they are only 1mb or so), and don’t require installation.

    Hope this is helpful.

  72. Comment by HR186S | 12/15/07 at 12:46 am

    If you cant figure out how to put music on an E10 then you shouldn’t have one.
    You don’t even need to install the program that comes with it to put music on it. Copy music from your computer folder and paste it into the music folder on the mp3 player. Done.
    Browse the device to play the music and your all set.
    No need for anymore bullshit programs on your pc. (You can put WMP on that list of bullshit programs too.)
    The E10 kicks ass.

  73. Comment by Anita | 12/22/07 at 9:08 pm

    I have an Iriver E10, I would like to know how to get what looks like a ghost file off it. (title of song remains on the e10, but no music file). It spends a long time flicking through the empty file titles before it gets to the new music I have put on there. I do not have the software that came with it.
    Please, no abuse required, just answers….Please.

  74. baz
    Comment by baz | 04/07/08 at 5:26 pm

    got a e10
    to tell you the truth it is $#@%
    two computers and one laptop and the e10 all come up as : unknown device
    im ready to smash it up

  75. Comment by Jessica | 04/17/08 at 6:26 pm

    Have a bitch why don’t you? I love my E10, it’s really an excellent player. Plus it outlasts the crappy ipod by miles. If you don’t like installing programs on your computer for specific devices then why install itunes? It’s quite evident to me and a host of other people that iriver is much better than an ipod. Plus, who gives about the website? Aren’t you meant to be complaining about the player or your ’slightly-retarded’ girlfriend? If she’s that retarded then dump her.

    Most of us disagree because you’re picky and can’t make a good point. So when you call us imbeciles, take a look in the mirror, dumb fuck.

    If you’re after a mindless bitch about poorly constructed music products, then bitch about the ipod company and their product. Not a perfectly good player which works fine and doesn’t break a year after it’s bought.

    Stop wasting your time.

  76. Comment by SpongBo | 04/18/08 at 2:06 am

    Jessica, I defer to your obvious wonderfulness.

    The Ipod perfectly meets all of my criteria and *that’s* why I was singing its praises.

    Oh, wait - I wasn’t!

    If I’m a dumbfuck that can’t make a point, how dumbfucked does that make you to respond to a point I didn’t even make!?

    Love your work!

    I’m glad you like your E10. I don’t. I like my Clix.

  77. Comment by corey | 04/24/08 at 9:00 am

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING youre comparing it to the ipod which can only be synced with I tunes its much simpiler as you can just drag and drop files the cord i agree that is a bit strange the itunes products al ways pop up on your screen where the iriver dosnt advertise everything yesterday i put a whole movie on it my iriver has NEVER EVER mucked up so i rekon maby u SHOULD DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH

  78. Comment by Jesse | 06/10/08 at 3:15 pm

    Hey SpongBo, I really agree with you your specifications make it a horrible device. I have to say though, you should do some more research before you buy any device. I’ve been using the E10 for a little over a year now, I run linux and almost all of my music library are ogg files, I used the H10 for a few years before the E10 and in my opinion you chose the wrong player. I’m glad it looks like you were able to return it, I hope you take my advice and do some research if you do decide to buy a smart phone. I’m enjoying the look of the new hTC Touch pro, you should take a look. I’ll probably be getting it if the North American version comes out with 3G…

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